Blaze_N_Pits
#0

I've read numerous times that NO APBT or Amstaff should be more than 75% white. That is odd because there are quite a few APBTs in the Colby's Book Of The American Pit Bull Terrier that are just that.

Some of these APBTs that are 75% white or more are:

- Colby's Old Paddy also known as "red and white" Paddy, -Dixie, -Bob-tail Bob, -Ed Rubel's Champion Dan ("he was a white dog and sired a lot of game dogs"), -Colby's Mag, Colby's Gus ("a very beautiful white dog with brindle patches"), -Colby's Connie, -Conly's Shine, -Colby's Sue's littermate, bred out of Colby's Buster and Nell, etc.

We know that some APBTs that are all white can be deaf and/or blind... but not all of them have problems.

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Dream_Pits
#1

yeah thats true. they arent suppose to be over 75-80% white. not suppose to be merle. i mean honestly the reason we have all these new looks is paper hanging and people calling mix breeds full bred

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Beautiful Bully Kennels
#2

I could be wrong but what I read off the UKC site is they don't want anything that is 75% of any one color.  Not just white.    this is so confusing because why should a color determine if a dog is breed standers.  I understand underbite or over wieght, hieght and other stuctural differances but not color. But thats my opion.

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Merle does have a history and was only removed from consideration from the ADBA and UKC in 2005. Merle is just as pure as any other. The ADBA and UKC have caused much confusion on this topic but even the ADBA now admits Merle does have a history with possible evidence all the way back to the 1930's. The reason people believe they are not pure is due to the changes in standard in 2005 and the lack of knowledge of the older and original standards not because they are actually impure. Previous to 2005 merle was accepted. The reasons that were given for removal were poor health, not wanting to promote fad and the "perception" of impurity. All three reason have been proven false.

All the same reason for pulling the Merle from registration could also be applied to the blue. If you have Colby's book you will notice NO blue. In a discussion with Colby he has told us that blue is not original to the breed. Also no bullie style. No blue nose either. The fact is, is that the breed as all breeds have developed over time and at some point in the past were not pure either.

At this point it only acts to divide the Pit Bull community to continue on with conversations and false allegations of impurity and only gives those who claim the Pit Bull is not a pure breed credence for their statements and thus advances the cause of breeed specific legislation. If the industry was to go back to the standard of when Pit Bulls were first being registered this would decimate the bred as a whole as practically every pedigree today of any real depth when investigated will have atleast one blue, blue nose, bullie or Merle in it somewhere if you look hard enough. Does the Pit Bull community wish to really go down that road. There are more important battles to fight.

In reagrds to white this is a standrad the UKC uses due to perceived health issues. Genetically white is prone to health issues not so much because of the white but how it reacts with other genetic components such as albinism.

At the APBR we feel changing standards and standards not based on any scientific evidence only act as a divide in the Pit Bull community. As long as the Pit Bull community is divided our enemies will continue to have a hold on us and the breed.

In regards to health it is important to understand when breeding one should understand their Pit as best possible and then breed in a way that builds in a positive direction. By using a little bit of discression in breeding many health effects can be overcome. While this statement may not appeal to some the number one way to achieve a healthier breed is by limiting or eliminating inbreeding as this alone accounts for more health issues than any other and this is one that through simple avoidance can have the greatest and fastest positive impact for the breed.

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Blaze_N_Pits
#4

APBR has the answer we've been looking for!

Thanx for helping further educate and answer different questions asked including 'colors and the APBT'...... it's about time everyone realizes that research has been done on the history of APBTs and results show that they can be any color.

They've evolved over time, black becomes diluted and produces blue..... people have bred out of standards and have produced their own 'bloodlines' or 'looks'. Every color used to be acceptable and only in recent yrs have standards changed, like Louis said.

Back in the Colby days their weren't 'blues' or 'American bully' but there wes merle, mistakingly being called brindle at times. Nowadays, there are blues and bullies .... whos to decide if merles are acceptable or not or if a dog can't be more than 75/80% white?

Louis is right, if we keep nit-picking every APBTs pedigree for flaws then we would be destroying our beloved breed.

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LeahMcGregor
#5

Well this is an interesting thread, especially since I have a APBT that is about 95% white. While white was not the color I was looking for, this dog was everything else. It is a fairly common reoccurring theme in breeding a variety of species that excessive white can create problems.  It is interesting a registry would take the stand not to register something based on the color, when what is needed to educate the breeders on what they should be crossing with.

Hey I'm glad to have my status upgraded so I can throw in my 2cents!

Leah McGregor

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