UKC is a scam!!!!!!!!!

Addendum to following post: We are offering a $215 reward prize to anyone that can provide extended pedigrees for Pits listed in this forum post: http://pitbullsocial.com/forum/thread/366/215-reward/

We just wanted to respond a little to your post.

First we do not like to down talk any registry as we appreciate the influence all registries have had for the breed and in general try to respect them all.

We have sent your Super Pedigrees so we do think you will enjoy them as we found thousands of relationships you would not have otherwise has access to.

In reviewing your Super Pedigrees you may understand a little more why other registries do not provide more extensive pedigrees than they do.

One of the primary arguments people like to use against the American Pit Bull Registry is that we will register any Pit Bull even without lineage and because of this they like to try and infer because(or outright lie and say) we will register anything even if it is a mix because we can not show its lineage.

If this was an honest argument then the fact is, is that no registry would exist because all registries were at some point open and even the ADBA and UKC has registered such Pits without such additional lineage. People who are making these arguments are either ignorant to the facts or they tell lies in order to try and validate their own position or try to tear others down in order to make themselves feel more important.

The fact is, is that the APBR offers the largest printed pedigree in the entire Registration industry. In fact our largest pedigree 11 Generation Super pedigree is over 8 times larger than the largest 7 generation UKC or ADBA pedigrees. In doing this it often becomes apparent how other registries were at one point in their not so distant history also open in their registration process.

For a closed registry to provide a pedigree that goes against what their members are saying to try and tear down their competition would show the fallacy in their statements and thus go against what they perceive to be in their best interest as this would create greater and more fair competition. The way the APBR compensates for the unfair competition is by offering more benefits and services than any other registry in existence and also providing the most advanced genealogy tracking and and printed pedigrees in the industry. This is something we are proud of because we know that no other registry can or even would dare to compete on these same terms.

For example when you get your Super Pedigree you will see where other registries like the UKC also registered Pits without lineage. This is why they will not provide a pedigree further back than their 6 generation pedigree on non-"PR" Pits they have registered. For example on the 5th generation of Genghis Khan's pedigree top side there is a Pit named "Sullivan's Rebel Locs". If they were to provide a larger pedigree as we do you will see that the recorded lineage stops completely at his 6th generation. Another Pit that is quite prominent in pedigrees is "Rodriguez King" yet he has no recorded lineage. If they provided even their 7 generation pedigree for you this would be apparent.

So if the statement that a registry is not legitimate if it registers a Pit without lineage then this would in fact make all registries illegitimate. The fact is, is that people making these kind of statements against the APBR either are being disingenuous for their own personal reasons or they do not honestly understand the purpose of what a registry in fact does. Being an open vs. a closed registry has nothing to do with legitimacy. If anything being a closed registry actually fosters more corruption as people simply falsify information to then hang papers on their dog. This is true of all breeds not just Pit Bulls and all closed registries even the "The Kennel Club (UK)" founded 1873 and "AKC" established in 1873 which are the oldest registries of dog breeds in the world and regularly report fraud in their board minutes.

One of the problems with other registries is that they do not cross-track across all registries. The APBR is the only registry in the world to cross-track across all registries and therefore is able to provide a level of genealogy information that no other registry can match or even come close to.

At the APBR we are also the only registry that will provide free updates when extra genealogy information is found. This is even true with our Super Pedigrees. If you learn any more genealogy information than what we can provide and this can documented and confirmed we will update your Super Pedigree and send you a new one FREE.

We also are so confident our proprietary genealogy tracking system is so much more superior to any other registry that if anyone can provide us a pedigree of 6-7 generations from any other registry and we can not further expand on it we will provide their registration FREE.

We also provide an open challenge/invitation that if anyone can provide documentation to a Pit that we have listed in an advanced pedigree but were unable to track further thus creating blank spots that we will update their new information to our databases and provide a FREE Super Pedigree to them if they register their Pit and it qualifies for the Super Pedigree program. For example if anyone reads this post and can provide documented proof of Sullivan's Rebel Locs beyond the 6th generation or Rodriguez King parents and beyond just provide the proof and you will qualify.

Some other distinguished Pits that also fall into this category are "Gilbert's Kokane", "Achaea's Sir Magnum" (supposedly PR but how when there is no proof of such lineage is in question) "Achaea's Miss Fresno", "Ewing's Five Pine Diva", "Colden's Boss", "Colden's Baby".

Anyone willing to call the York or Woods lines illegitimate? If you define illigitimate as un-documented how about defending the claim and providing documented lineage on "Wood's Bull Of The Woods", "Wood's Hunka Redbolt", "York's Blue Bently", "York's Baby Blue". "'CH' Wood's Tacoma E-Zee", "Ruffian Bo Tie & Tux". Most of these Pits or their descendents are or have 'PR' 'CH' 'GRCH' and other such designations in their Family so if documentation does in fact exist it should be easy enough for someone to provide.

Sincerely,
American Pit Bull Registry